tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post1715375693119067166..comments2023-12-30T17:31:11.883+00:00Comments on The Solitary Walker: Here Come The IntrovertsThe Solitary Walkerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11284354541952038339noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-71738742688734988452012-02-09T08:47:24.340+00:002012-02-09T08:47:24.340+00:00Hi Gardener in the Distance — only just spotted yo...Hi Gardener in the Distance — only just spotted your comment up there!<br /><br />And thanks, Goat, for your long and interesting contribution. (I also was in a local rock band for a while — but the retiring, half-cut keyboard player at the back.) Yes, I think 'Gregarious Walker' would be yawn-inducing. And 'Gruntled Loner' sounds rather unpleasant — rather like the runt of the litter.The Solitary Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284354541952038339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-20024679923277141262012-02-08T22:38:15.132+00:002012-02-08T22:38:15.132+00:00Sorry I arrived at this discussion late as it'...Sorry I arrived at this discussion late as it's something I also give a lot of time to considering. My friend Chris, who gave me the 'Psychopath' book and is very fond of reading about the brain, described us both as introverts. This was both old news and slightly puzzling to me. In my childhood and teens I was very shy, but in later years sang for a rock band, I stand in front of groups and speak every day in my job, and now have a blog... <br /><br />But that definition you quote hits the nail on the head. I always feel like I'm at least partly "performing" in any group situation, to the point of using lines that have worked for me in the past - and desperately longing for an exit. One word that can usually get my heart racing (and not in pleasurable anticipation) is "party". It caused a lot of conflict when I was certain relationships with a "party girl" type.<br /><br />A theory (confirmed by your commenters): the majority of we blogging fiends are introverts - we do like to interact with the world, but on our own terms, and blogging gives us that control and quasi-anonymity. And we are just as happy going off on our own to find solace and inspiration (your blog title would be pretty weird as 'The Gregarious Walker'. How about 'The Gruntled Loner'?Goathttp://thegoatthatwrote.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-48221283350566129772012-02-08T16:13:38.964+00:002012-02-08T16:13:38.964+00:00Thanks, Pat... and Gail, that does indeed sound li...Thanks, Pat... and Gail, that does indeed sound like bliss...<br /><br />Grizz: Thanks so much for your long and thoughtful comment. Well, yes — the jumble sale, THEN the walk! Makes sense to me...<br /><br />Laurel, thanks for your very valuable and interesting comments on the Susan Cain book. I've linked to your blog review in my latest post...<br /><br />Bonnie — balancing between the extremes is always good (I've just been reading the Dalai Lama's 'The Art Of Happiness', which is all about this).<br /><br />Sorry, I'm running out of time... thanks so much Susan, Nick, am, Grace, Rubye Jack, Dominic and Ruth for your comments also. This more personal post seems to have created a great discussion.The Solitary Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284354541952038339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-34528731054783113142012-02-08T12:22:06.111+00:002012-02-08T12:22:06.111+00:00I heard a piece about introversion on NPR this wee...I heard a piece about introversion on NPR this week and found it interesting. Back when I took the Myers-Briggs personality profile, I found that I was supposedly right in the middle between introversion and extroversion. It's really about what fills you up, what energizes you, as you say. The older I get, the more solitude fills me up, and I need it just as much as I need food or water. I find that more and more others recognize this for themselves too, which makes it easier to beg off when I don't want to do something social.<br /><br />Yes, creativity must have open space!Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14204074161539605133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-76550832205599804632012-02-07T22:49:18.109+00:002012-02-07T22:49:18.109+00:00I think I'm a bit of an ambivert.I think I'm a bit of an ambivert.Dominic Rivronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02618013365521035400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-84015241292445825432012-02-07T17:05:46.637+00:002012-02-07T17:05:46.637+00:00Having always been an introvert, there certainly h...Having always been an introvert, there certainly has always been a rather disconcerting side to it. I've always felt quite different from others since by the nature of introversion you don't easily meet others who are the same way in their thinking. <br /><br />In the community where I live now most everyone is an extrovert, perhaps everyone, and someone told me the other day that they say I don't like having people over. It was said like there was something wrong with it. It is true that I don't like having people over, but I certainly see nothing wrong with being a "loner". Or, an introvert.Rubye Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02511953177053448513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-5541948437968196932012-02-07T14:48:39.664+00:002012-02-07T14:48:39.664+00:00I can be both, but I'm definitely an introvert...I can be both, but I'm definitely an introvert.<br /><br />I like Jonathan Rauch's definition of an introvert "as one who finds social interaction tiring and solitude revitalising, while for extroverts the reverse is true," because I think that is the core of the difference, not saddess, shyness, misanthropic etc. Most introverts I know are very compassionate and community-minded people.Gracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09696349282379608085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-47609668271069339252012-02-07T14:39:57.463+00:002012-02-07T14:39:57.463+00:00This is making me think of Thomas Merton, one of t...This is making me think of Thomas Merton, one of those who thoroughly enjoyed being with people for limited periods of time but was quickly exhausted and regained his vitality in solitude. <br /><br />In recent years, I've been revitalized by meeting with a group of eccentric friends (men and women, all ages) for breakfast in the early mornings. There is an opportunity to meet on a daily basis. I'm going out this morning to meet with them. Although I am clearly an introvert, there is more extrovert to me than there used to be! <br /><br />Maybe blogging has something to do with that!amhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09212213177713917828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-24613826869531586812012-02-07T09:13:01.711+00:002012-02-07T09:13:01.711+00:00I think it's entirely possible to expend too m...I think it's entirely possible to expend too much effort in analysing the roles you play - 'loving people', 'at ease', 'confident', 'happy in my my own company', 'too sensitive', etc. The trick, I suspect, is to understand that they ARE in fact roles that you (we) drop in and out of, labels you (we)adopt to meet a perceived need, and that they merely overlay an underlying reality Find that, be comfortable with it and there'll be no need, I think, for this kind of 'intellectual' analysis.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16112462990202280587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-67875653984870343962012-02-07T02:38:04.660+00:002012-02-07T02:38:04.660+00:00I'm sorry I don't have my Jung book to han...I'm sorry I don't have my Jung book to hand. He had so many interesting things to say about "introversion." This is vastly over-simplified, but, in his nomenclature, introverts are inner-directed. In the minority, so much misunderstood. Nothing to do with shy. I think, overall, there were problems with Jung's approach (not that I really know what I'm talking about), but I love the way he wrote about "introversion."Susan Scheidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09250142489341777926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-86746486896689997662012-02-06T22:16:01.963+00:002012-02-06T22:16:01.963+00:00I'm with you Robert. It is the best of both w...I'm with you Robert. It is the best of both worlds. I count myself fortunate to not fall too far into either extreme on the continuum.Bonnie Zieman, M.Ed.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00282469017360136275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-69623450379109656792012-02-06T20:36:02.904+00:002012-02-06T20:36:02.904+00:00Robert, nicely said. I've always been introver...Robert, nicely said. I've always been introverted myself - you are what you are, after all - though I've found it healthy and necessary to practise SOME extroversion! Yes, the world has become a very loud place, full of competing identities and the noise of their traffic. We could certainly do with more of a hush.Gardener in the Distancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14478393904059307841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-54379671054809503482012-02-06T20:10:03.897+00:002012-02-06T20:10:03.897+00:00I just finished reading Susan Cain's book, whi...I just finished reading Susan Cain's book, which I suspect had an earlier North American release date. It is a worthwhile read for sure. <br /><br />She doesn't write that "brainstorming doesn't work", but that groups and teams have taken over in such away that no space is left for the solitary creative work, thinking and problem solving that is at least equally necessary and valuable. Her criticism of group-think is more a plea that our society is out of balance than anything else, catering more and more to the extroverts among us and becoming less functional for introverts.<br /><br />Importantly, she makes it plain at the beginning that there is no such thing as a pure extrovert or introvert and, as Carl Jung said, if such a person did exist, it would be in the insane asylum. Not only that, but there really is such a thing as an "ambivert" equally contented with inner and outer pursuits, solitude and socializing. They're rare, but they exist.<br /><br />She also discusses how introverts become more extroverted throughout their lifetimes when their passion and drive require them to get their message or creation out to the world and gives many examples of extreme introverts who've become as outward as they had to in order to succeed wildly at everything from sales, to investing, to inventing/designing the Apple computer, to teaching, to securing an independent future for India. <br /><br />The most important message of the book is how quietly powerful introverts are in a world that thinks brash and bold constitutes strength and stamina - introverts have inner strength and a whole array of personal skills that are their natural gifts . . . if only they were perceived as gifts, rather than hindrances, by our extroversion-obsessed culture.Laurelhttp://www.theforestgarden.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-79342536565796768632012-02-06T19:08:13.001+00:002012-02-06T19:08:13.001+00:00Well, I almost managed to come to a conclusion abo...Well, I almost managed to come to a conclusion about myself here. Your post certainly made me reconsider what I think I know about my own personality, though in the end I still find myself in puzzling conflict—loner, people-person? Introvert, extrovert? <br /><br />I love people—small groups, en masse, strangers, semi-acquaintances…doesn't matter. I'm equally comfortable alone, and think nothing of spending an extended period with only my own company. I like solitude. Like you, I certainly "don't always like all of my fellow human beings." But at that mention of going for the solitary walk or attending a village jumble sale, I found myself going…hummm, wonder if there'd be any good books or old prints being offered up? All the while figuring I could go walk later. <br /><br />What really keeps it muddled for me, I guess, are those definitions—that introverts find social interaction tiring and solitude revitalizing; for me, the latter is true while the former is not. And while there are few professions less group-necessary than creative writing, I must say I've been in on various brainstorming sessions such as advertising campaigns, where the group dynamic contributed positively to the creative outcome. <br /><br />Perhaps the truest indicator of my own ultimate leanings is that I tend to make few genuine friends, but am generally "friends for life" with those I do, and that they're unquestionably kindred spirits.Grizz…………https://www.blogger.com/profile/04828454689578685330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-1167186193311189812012-02-06T16:34:47.374+00:002012-02-06T16:34:47.374+00:00I too saw the Guardian/Burkeman piece and was intr...I too saw the Guardian/Burkeman piece and was intrigued enough to look up the Rauch article. A wonderful read. But then I've long known that I'm 100% introvert, and always have found social interaction tiring (even when I really enjoy the company) and solitude revitalising. Having worked for companies where you were considered a bit suspect, if not a downright loser, if you voiced a preference for working in your own quiet space, not in open plan, it's great to see the introvert's perspective given airtime. <br />Cheers,<br />Gail (happily now working at home in my study, dog lying peacefully at me feet. Bliss.)WFT Nobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14315143664245246248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-37480853577155612882012-02-06T16:07:34.269+00:002012-02-06T16:07:34.269+00:00From what I know of you Robert, I would say that y...From what I know of you Robert, I would say that you have summed yourself up very well.The Weaver of Grasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13947971556343746883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-36320330973878556582012-02-06T14:33:38.518+00:002012-02-06T14:33:38.518+00:00Rachel — Yes, I find I too can be both, depending ...Rachel — Yes, I find I too can be both, depending on the situation. But my extroversion is probably well practised play acting, whereas my default position is introversion, I'm sure. It's a complicated thing, isn't it? I've been in situations where, according to others, I've been 'the life and soul of the party'. Yet, when the party was over, I was so glad to be on my own. The older I get, the less I want to play act.<br /><br />George — I think I'm pretty much in sympathy with you here! I'd rather have a few, deep friendships than a thousand polite and superficial fripperies. Time is so short, and we must follow our real instincts and desires, doing what we must do rather than what we were taught we ought/should do in our younger and not so younger days.The Solitary Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11284354541952038339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-75551271938809054252012-02-06T12:28:29.662+00:002012-02-06T12:28:29.662+00:00Great post! My experience has been much like your...Great post! My experience has been much like yours. In my youth, I was inculcated with the idea that extroversion was the natural tendency of a well-developed, healthy personality, whereas introversion was a reflection of insecurities—perhaps a benign maladjustment. While I still enjoy the specific company of kindred spirits, I now find that my default psychological position is introversion, precisely for the reason identified in Rauch's definition; I often find social interaction to be exhausting, whereas solitude is usually both creative and revitaizing.<br /><br />As we have discussed before, one is always searching for the proper balance. In time, however, I has discovered that the tipping point has shifted closer to introversion than extroversion. That said, I always welcome the company of people like you and the others I find in the blogosphere. In the off-line world, however, I have found it more difficult to find kindred spirits.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03959953035812596907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8319797996494487653.post-31790542680193353072012-02-06T11:38:15.789+00:002012-02-06T11:38:15.789+00:00Yes, I think a person can be an extrovert and an i...Yes, I think a person can be an extrovert and an introvert. I think I am a bit that way. It depends on the subject... and about a hundred other factors!<br />xRachel Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11803852725693518924noreply@blogger.com